Oh and to your comment that CLO and raw milk don't fix everything (it was in the other post). I know that but i think that giving everyone universal care will only make things worse. More people will be put on meds they don't need, told their diet is fine, etc. Open up a can of worms for people who could not afford to rush off on every whim would then be able to and more kids will be medicated, put on Statins and Ritalin, etc. because now they can go see a doctor and Dxed with something non existent.
Some of my siblings were never expected to do much ever growing up. They had everything handed to them and never respected what they had. As adults they are pretty much useless still living off of my mother who cleans and scrubs houses all day to pay bills, and not see a doctor like she has been doing for 40 yrs or more. I worked for the things i wanted and always took good care of them, still do. I think that many will react this way and the system will be abused, they will have no regard for nutrition esp. when they finally have access to free everything and Docs who say diet does not matter. Where now, many are coming to understand diet is almost everything and fixing themselves naturally. Bypassing the docs, something they do not realize is a blessing in disguise - one less pHarma victim. I think there is something to be said to allowing people to 'suffer' some what and finally have the motivation to figure it out for themselves rather than give them an out.
I also fear that they will use it as a way to start telling us what we can eat and ban real food.
I know there are many like you, me, and the rest on the board, who would only use it when we had to, still use our heads etc. But the majority will not and we will only be helping make them sicker. I also do not think that needed surgeries and support to save a life is wrong to deny because of no money or insurance. I am not saying i don't have compassion for that. So to say well let's hope you never...... i think is a bit unfair as i have admitted the whole situation stinks, but handing it over to a gvmnt none of us even trust to be honest about food/drug issues..... i mean come on. I don't get how many people on the various WAPF type forums are opposed to the gvmnt lies and being in bed with pHarma and food industry, but yet want to force everyone into it with national health care. It seems like an oxymoron to me. Like the fox guarding the hen house kind of thing. I don't want mandatory anything. If i need treatment to stay alive, sell my house fine. I can't take any of it with me when i go anyways. The whole system is corrupt, the gvmnt is totally corrupt, and many want to hand the only thing we kind of have left over to them, our health, errr what's left of it. I don't see a win win situation at all in this other than as a people to ban together and take our own health back by teaching others, by turning our backs to the conventional medicine establishment. If we all got better and off most of their meds,, they would go bankrupt because there is only a small population of people who truly need it to live. Then we can rebuild it. I know dreamy thinking, but to me so is universal health :)
Julia
--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <lynchwt@...> wrote:
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> Oh, sorry I wasn't clear. They did not live--they were born at 18 weeks, a few weeks shy of viable, and lived for about an hour. That was the plan--don't do anything to save the babies since if they make it to viability, they could be a lawsuit risk.
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> Bill
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> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "slbooks4me" <beauty4ashesisaiah61@> wrote:
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> > That is really sad Bill. I assume your twins were okay right? I agree with your assessment on fixing moms especially those on state care. I have heard it is common to come in asking moms while in pain or shortly after delivering to have procedures done. My cousin is one of them. She and her husband had agreed if anyone was doing it he would. But when they came in asking her repeatedly during her last
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