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> I don't think anyone posting quotes from the book Holdren co-authored are
> giving a complete view of the argument presented in the book. I'm going
to
> blog about this in the next day or two.

I'm the only one who posted quotes, so you must be addressing me
specifically. (I've been offline since Saturday due to a computer virus and
just got my computer back this afternoon.) If you've read the book or
relevant chapters in their entirety I'm interested in your interpretation of
them as I know they won't be partisan like the partisan pundit Mooney's
were. Doesn't necessarily mean I'll agree with your interpretation, but
would certainly like to see it. I've only read the relevant pages and not
the entire chapters, although I've put that on my list of "to-do" which is
currently dominated by swine flu vaccine issues, so not sure when I'll get
to it.

> However, they also state that an imminent population crisis exists and
that
> allowing it to occur would be MORE horrifying than the worst of the
> population control measures. They state they would prefer "mild"
solutions
> because if used immediately they MIGHT be enough to avert the NEED for the
> "appalling" solutions, but state very clearly that they believe direct
> population control is an absolute necessity and individual family planning
> is not enough.

Um...I don't see how that differs significantly from what I wrote...since I
said they proposed them as possibilities if overpopulation became "dire". It
seems like you're saying they don't support them quite to the degree that I
interpreted them as saying, but I don't see any significant difference.

> The authors do not seem to see world government as a positive end. They
> state clearly in the conclusion of the book that ultimately we should
favor
> an aversion to "bigness" of all sorts and should favor political and
> economic decentralization, and hold the hunter-gatherer society up as a
> richer society than ours. What they seem to be arguing is that, in order
to
> achieve the small-scale ideal, big government will be necessary to achieve
> the requisite reductions in population.

Yeh right...as if once government gets BIG, that it'll give up any of its
power or won't fight with all it's got to prevent others from shrinking it.
Those Ehrlichs and that Holdren were clever, clever people.

Suze

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